> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://www.thebeyondpodcast.com/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # The Lies We Tell Ourselves– with Rebecca Nwankwo | Breaking Mental Barriers and the MBA Mindset - URL: https://www.thebeyondpodcast.com/the-lies-we-tell-ourselves-with-rebecca-nwankwo-breaking-mental-barriers-and-the-mba-mindset/ - Published: 2025-10-17T17:15:00.000Z - Updated: 2026-08-24T10:06:26.000Z - Description: Rebecca Nwankwo on the lies that sabotage high achievers, neuroplasticity, imposter syndrome, and the “some will, some won't” mantra. - Author: Elliott King - Tags: Rebecca Nwankwo, episode, Season 2, Business, #ep-7 **Stop letting your inner critic draft your life story.** Global executive, author and life coach [Rebecca Nwankwo](https://www.thebeyondpodcast.com/guests/rebecca-nwankwo/) joins host and producer [Aleksandra King](https://www.thebeyondpodcast.com/aleksandra-king/) on The BEYOND Podcast to uncover the lies that sabotage high achievers, and the psychology that dismantles them. ## Episode summary Rebecca starts with the dangerous belief high achievers carry: the quiet certainty that the inner critic is telling the truth. Her book, The Lies We Tell Ourselves, names those lies one by one, and the conversation opens them up with the elephant mentality: the majestic animal held in place by a rope it stopped testing years ago, and the neuroplasticity that lets a brain rewire what it long ago accepted. Imposter syndrome gets practical treatment rather than platitudes: where it comes from for professionals who are objectively succeeding, why finding your tribe matters, and how her Global Executive MBA reshaped what she believed was available to her. Rejection and failure are reframed through the mantra she returns to: some will, some won't, so keep asking. The second half is a toolkit: turning visualisation into actionable strategy rather than a mood board, journaling with intent, failing fast, and pivoting a career path without treating the pivot as defeat. It closes with her self-truth exercise, the practice of writing down what is actually true against what the inner critic claims, and the first step she gives every ambitious professional who feels stuck. ## Key takeaways - High achievers carry a dangerous belief: that the inner critic is a reliable narrator. - The elephant mentality holds people to ropes they stopped testing years ago; neuroplasticity means the rope can be re-examined. - Imposter syndrome yields to evidence and community: find your tribe and audit the facts. - Rejection is survivable arithmetic: some will, some won't, so keep asking. - Visualisation only matters when it converts into actionable strategy, journaling and fast failure. ## Key chapters | Chapter | Timestamp | | ---------------------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | The dangerous belief high achievers carry | [00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX9O8Q1-RxE) | | Breaking the “elephant mentality”, and rewiring your brain | [06:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX9O8Q1-RxE&t=372s) | | Combatting imposter syndrome, and finding your tribe | [12:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX9O8Q1-RxE&t=768s) | | Thinking bigger: failure, rejection, and resilience | [20:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX9O8Q1-RxE&t=1235s) | | Turning visualisation into actionable strategy | [26:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX9O8Q1-RxE&t=1576s) | | Journaling, failing fast, and pivoting your path | [33:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX9O8Q1-RxE&t=2011s) | | The “self truth” exercise, and taking the first step | [39:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX9O8Q1-RxE&t=2380s) | ## The guest Rebecca Nwankwo is a global executive, life coach and author of The Lies We Tell Ourselves, helping ambitious professionals dismantle self-sabotaging beliefs through neuroplasticity and psychology. Her full background is on her guest profile. [Rebecca Nwankwo's guest profile](https://www.thebeyondpodcast.com/guests/rebecca-nwankwo/) ## Where to listen - [Watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX9O8Q1-RxE) - [Apple Podcasts](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-with-aleksandra-king/id1786173140) - [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/0haFQYUTnEn0fpr0LQYlhH) - [YouTube Music](https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=MPSPPL3iQHE-qteJING9jXVVuVUdDa-9qqer7J) - [RSS feed](https://anchor.fm/s/10464b2ac/podcast/rss) ## Related reading Read the companion insights on the site: [Rebecca Nwankwo: Lessons from a Global Executive MBA](https://www.thebeyondpodcast.com/insights/rebecca-nwankwo-lessons-from-a-global-executive-mba/). And: [Rebecca Nwankwo: Coaching, Mindset, and The Lies We Tell Ourselves](https://www.thebeyondpodcast.com/insights/features-rebecca-nwankwo-coaching-mindset-and-the-lies-we-tell-ourselves/). ## Transcript #### Read the full episode transcript Interview 00:00:00 ****Aleksandra King:** Right, Rebecca, you've written this fantastic book, The Lies We Tell Ourselves, which is all about mindset– 00:00:07 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Absolutely. 00:00:08 ****Aleksandra King:** How to get from A to B– 00:00:11 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yes. 00:00:11 ****Aleksandra King:** How to manipulate your mind in a good way. You've done one of the world's most prestigious MBA programmes that's out there, let's be honest. You had to work and learn in– what was it, how many– 00:00:25 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** We– so we did nine modules, and I visited seven countries– seven continents– here, on four continents, working with leaders from 27 nations. 00:00:34 ****Aleksandra King:** What you're doing here, and what we're doing in this podcast, is we're taking the knowledge from these business leaders from 27 different countries and we're condensing it into patterns and mindset and actions that these people do that take them from A to B. Is that accurate? 00:00:51 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** That is exactly right. That's exactly right. 00:00:54 ****Aleksandra King:** And that's why you're on, cos that's crazy. That's crazy. 00:00:59 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I love the whole experience. Going to IESE Business School, it completely changed my life. It changed me from a personal perspective but also from a career perspective. So, career perspective in the sense that actually I realised, when I finished my Global Executive MBA, that I didn't necessarily want to pursue a career like I was imagining that I wanted to before, and it literally was like a light bulb went off in my head, and I was thinking, well, hang on a minute, why am I looking for somebody else to give me a job? Why don't I create my own role myself? 00:01:35 ****Aleksandra King:** It's given you this– we're going to talk about what you've learned there– 00:01:38 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yeah. 00:01:38 ****Aleksandra King:** And how it's changed you, because going through this process, it has fundamentally changed the way that you operate. But just so our audience know as well, what I like about you– the way that you approached me for the podcast, and it shows bravery. You're a go-getter. You will pick up the phone, you will contact someone, you will talk to them, you will pitch yourself. You're not scared to do that. And you've got that sort of mindset, the go-getter mindset, that I would love the audience to pick up here and to be inspired by and copy. We're going to now go through what you've learned from this very exclusive world, how we can adapt that information to our own lives. What is the most dangerous belief that– we can say high achievers, but that most people don't even realise that they're carrying? What is that belief that they have about themselves? 00:02:29 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** The one thing that I recognise in many– because I've come across, and I've been in the company of, many types of individuals and high achievers etc. in my course– one thing I think that most of them have in common is they doubt their own abilities. So it's a case of, sometimes we know what we want to get– 00:02:51 ****Aleksandra King:** Mhm. 00:02:52 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** We know exactly how, or we think we know exactly how, we want to– we need to get to that place, but there's a niggling voice in our mind that then questions whether you're capable of getting to that place, or whether you're worth it. So I think it's– there is always that– most of the times, when there is a disparity between what we want and what we get in the end, it's because there is a doubt somewhere that keeps chipping away and keeps asking us, well, are you sure you can actually do this thing? Are you smart enough? Are you prepared enough? 00:03:25 ****Aleksandra King:** And also, but you're not the kind of person that can make that sort of money– other people make that sort of money. This is it– it's really damaging. 00:03:32 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Very, very damaging. Very, very damaging. And if we don't nip it in the bud, that voice will continue telling us exactly that story, and eventually we start believing that story. And that's what my book is all about. 00:03:46 ****Aleksandra King:** Help– help me, help us. Okay. So a lot of smart and ambitious people know that. I mean, we think, okay, don't listen to this voice beating you down. But why do they then still, despite knowing that– and probably some will listen to this and still go and beat themselves up– why do we continue this destructive pattern? 00:04:08 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It's a bit like a vicious cycle, isn't it? It's like, you know that you shouldn't really be listening to that voice. The path that we need to go down is often hard, right? So if you think about it, many people want to be millionaires– but why– why isn't everyone a millionaire? It's because the path is quite difficult to get to. So sometimes, when people think about the work that they need to do to get to where they need to get to, they look at the road, and there's potholes everywhere in the road, and it's like a rough, patchy road, and they look at the other road, and it's very nice, smooth and wide. They kind of veer towards the nice, smooth and wide road, and they avoid the patchy road. But as we know, the best things in life, most of the times, come from the patchy road. You kind of have to go through– 00:04:50 ****Aleksandra King:** You're right. You're saying the work, right, to get to the goal– to get to your achievement, we can't really skip that part to get them there. And they sometimes ask for the advice. I'm going to give you this little example. So I really like running, and I've achieved some really good running times or whatever– I'm into the fitness thing– and a lady asked me the other day, she goes, okay, but what exactly do you do? What are the exact things that you do to get to this point? And why do you weigh this much, and why are you running at this speed? What exactly do you do? 00:05:22 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Go on– what exactly– 00:05:23 ****Aleksandra King:** And I sort of thought, oh– very detailed. It's really– it's horrible, what I do. I have to do this, and I train like that, and then I go to this, and then I've got the Chiltern Harriers and I have to run eight and a half kilometres on trails, and I have to do that every other day in between this, and then I also go to gym and I do the strength training. But you also don't want to be like, oh, look at me, what I do. But actually, I'm sorry, I literally do that, and I've been doing it for years, right? Years. And then she's, okay, thanks for the information. And then she did it a couple of times, and then never again. 00:05:54 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** So you gave her the information she wanted. 00:05:55 ****Aleksandra King:** I gave her the information. So– but what is that? It's not– I don't want to do the work is one thing, but it's also, I can't see myself achieving that goal. 00:06:06 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** There's also– there's also an innate disbelief lurking in the background somewhere. So, okay, you want to become the CEO of a company, right? And you tell yourself, right, I can do it. I've got what it takes. I know exactly what I need to do– I need to apply to this place, to this particular company, I need to acquire this skill set. So you know the things you need to do, but then that voice kicks in, right? This is in your quiet moments. You pumped yourself up and everything, but in your quiet moments– when you're about to go to bed, when you're in the evening, whatever, whenever that time is– that voice kicks in and says, well, actually, you don't have what it takes to be a CEO. 00:06:48 ****Aleksandra King:** That's painful. It literally kicks in– you– so you've hyped yourself up and you've gotten to that place– yay, let's go do this, let's do it, we're ready, we're ready– that voice kicks in. 00:06:58 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Okay, let me rephrase– let me go back one step. Every time your inner critic starts becoming loud is usually when you're trying to do something that is very different from what you're used to doing, or going down a path that you're not used to. Or, do you think you can actually achieve this? I don't think you're capable of doing it. 00:07:20 ****Aleksandra King:** That's an interesting way to think about it. So it's actually something new and different that's prompting it, versus a lack of genuine inability– although maybe you're going to be learning anyway, as you do. But that's an interesting perspective to view it from. It's a different perspective– I've not thought about it like that. So just a follow-up on that one. Sometimes it's our own beliefs, right? But sometimes, when we watch people failing around us, that's really contagious and scary, cos you think, oh, look what happened to them. 00:07:52 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Especially– especially when it's something that we've seen from a young age. So it's even worse when we've seen, like, family– whether it's our parents, people around us as we're growing up– try things and fail, because that then becomes your mental template, right? And if you don't apply the right mindset tools, you eventually start believing that template that you've seen– that that's all life is about, right? Because your mind is now narrowed towards whatever experience that you've gone through, whatever you've seen growing up. All the templates, all the platforms, everything that's been said to you is what life is all about. There has to be something else. You need to have that other thing that says, well, there's more to life than this. There's got to be more. This is what I've seen, but the world is vast. 00:08:47 ****Aleksandra King:** Do you know what, we almost have an app from what's happened to us in our childhood. We're all scarred– an app– and you've got to break– you've got to update or change, alter the app. If it's a very strict parent, you're always a people pleaser, you're trying to– oh, I'm a little goody-two-shoes, let me clean up, and are you happy with me, are you happy with me, are you happy with me– that sort of mentality, whatever it is. Or you've had a really hard parent, or whatever it is– that's the app that keeps replaying, and that's what you're talking about, you call– but really, we're wired– we've wired ourselves. 00:09:16 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Absolutely. 00:09:18 ****Aleksandra King:** Good to be aware of. 00:09:19 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yes, we have. 00:09:20 ****Aleksandra King:** Okay. So how do you know if your comfort zone– that you're in this nice little place– is good for you, or if it's a jail cage? 00:09:29 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Growth doesn't come from comfort. 00:09:32 ****Aleksandra King:** Unfortunate, isn't it? You have to– 00:09:34 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It's unfortunate, but that's the reality. You do not grow if you're in your comfort zone, you think. There is this– I don't know if you've heard of the elephant mentality? 00:09:43 ****Aleksandra King:** No, go on. 00:09:44 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** So the elephant is huge– is a very majestic creature, right? And it's put in a cage– think of an elephant in a circus– and they put in that ring, and there's a fence around them, right? So all it's taught, from when it's a baby to when it grows into a giant elephant, is to walk around in this cage, right? Just inside, within the perimeter of that cage. 00:10:05 ****Aleksandra King:** So clever, the elephant. 00:10:06 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Very, very clever. But that's what he's been taught, so it does that all day long– that's all it does. But no one told the elephant that if he ever leans on that cage– cos it's so big now– the cage would literally just fall down, right? And then the whole world is opened up to it. 00:10:22 ****Aleksandra King:** Yes. 00:10:22 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** That's what happens with our minds, right? So if you think of– you've got this particular thought pattern that you've had from childhood. That's all you know, so you just keep repeating it, kind of in a loop. It goes around in a loop, so you keep repeating the same thought pattern, right? And no one has taught you, or no one has said to you, well, actually, it's a big wide world out there. Have you considered this? Have you thought about this instead? Have you actually applied this instead? And all it takes is you doing something slightly different to change that pattern. That's all it takes. 00:10:55 ****Aleksandra King:** Yeah. What you don't change, you accept. 00:10:57 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Exactly– precisely that. And so, from a scientific perspective, there's neuroplasticity, which basically says that the mind is not fixed, right? Because I know that there's a huge ongoing debate about whether we have a fixed mindset or– 00:11:14 ****Aleksandra King:** There's a lot– there's a lot going on about that. A lot of questions. 00:11:17 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yeah, absolutely. But neuroplasticity, which is scientific, actually says to us that we can rewire our minds, and all we need to do is exactly what I was saying– is do something slightly differently, right? So the minute you break a pattern– which is by doing something slightly differently– so for example, you keep thinking, I can't. Someone proposes something to you– let's go back to the leadership scenario I spoke about earlier– and you immediately think, no, I can't. I can't do that. I can't become a CEO. I'm not capable of being a CEO. But what if you twist– what if you reframed that, and what if you asked yourself, well, what if I can? Literally, from I can't to the question. 00:11:59 ****Aleksandra King:** I like that. What if– what if I can. It changes– 00:12:03 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It disrupts that pattern, and it makes you start thinking– 00:12:06 ****Aleksandra King:** It almost makes your brain go a little bit fuzzy when you– 00:12:08 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Exactly. 00:12:08 ****Aleksandra King:** What you just– like to scratch the inside of your brain. What if I can? I mean, that's– yeah. 00:12:14 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** That's what you need to do, is actually question. You need to question that thought that tells you that you can't do stuff. 00:12:21 ****Aleksandra King:** We need to know to question. We need to know to question. 00:12:24 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Exactly. Once you realise that those are negative thought patterns, the key now is to start challenging them. Because just the same way that people say things to you that aren't true, we say things to ourselves that aren't true, right? But we never really stop to question those things. 00:12:39 ****Aleksandra King:** Okay, let's talk about that. How do you know if it's not true? And this is the whole imposter– there's some people that say the imposter syndrome– I think that started from a lady– famous lady that's done a TED Talk– Mel Robbins– 00:12:50 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yes. 00:12:50 ****Aleksandra King:** And she said the imposter syndrome– fake it till you make it. And some people are saying, don't fake it till you make it, just learn as you grow. So there's a lot of information about that. But this is– do you lie to yourself? When is the imposter syndrome real? Do you learn along the way? 00:13:04 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I believe that there is imposter syndrome. I went through imposter syndrome when I was in the Global Executive MBA. It's like, I'm surrounded by 39 brilliant minds from all over the world, right? And I'm in this environment where we do everything together. We go to different countries together, we learn together. So at some point– especially in the beginning– I kept questioning whether my views were valid. So it's kind of like, am I clever enough to be in the midst of these really, really brilliant people? Am I smart enough? Am I good enough? And also, there is a lot to do with class participation throughout the programme. We have to participate– in fact, we're marked on class participation– but you get that niggling voice. Honestly, I'll be in class, and that voice– and they're asking us questions, and then I have a thought in my head, and I'm like, nah– that doesn't make any sense, right? And then I hear someone else say something similar to what I was thinking, and I'm like, but hang on a minute, I could have said that, cos I was thinking that. You don't just go in and speak to everyone, like, in an open classroom, and say, by the way, this is how I'm feeling. You pick your moments. You have people that you're kind of close to, and you start saying to them, when Professor Pedro said that, I kind of– I was thinking that in my head, but I felt a bit uncomfortable saying it. And then they'll– what I started realising by doing that, when I started sharing that, is that other people started saying, I felt the same. Me too. This is how I felt when this happened; this is how I felt when this happened. Then I realised I wasn't alone. And when I started looking into this phenomenon called imposter syndrome– whether people believe it or not– it actually says that 70% of people in the world, at some point in their life, feel imposter syndrome. 00:14:45 ****Aleksandra King:** That's a lot of people. 00:14:46 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** That's– so basically, the point here is, you aren't alone. And the best way to combat imposter syndrome is by talking about it. When you name it and shame it, you realise that there's lots of other people that feel the same way. 00:14:59 ****Aleksandra King:** It's like identifying a bug in the app. 00:15:01 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Exactly. And once you can name it, then it's like, actually, it's not so bad anymore, right? 00:15:05 ****Aleksandra King:** Yeah. I love that. I love that. Okay, so let's talk about some of the little lies we tell ourselves that quietly sabotage our success. So, I'm not good enough, I'm not clever enough– what else do we tell ourselves? 00:15:17 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I'm not good enough. I'm not clever enough. I'm not trained– I don't have enough skill set to get to that place. There's so many stories. I'm not one of those people that achieve that. 00:15:28 ****Aleksandra King:** Yes. 00:15:28 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I'm not– I haven't earned my seat around the table. So you get into a room of– yeah, the scenario I gave you– of people that are doing very well in life, and then suddenly you're, oh my God– you go into your shell, and you think, no, no, no, this is not my room. It's very uncomfortable in here. So there's so many stories that we– and so many lies that we tell ourselves. And we've told ourselves these things from a young age– most of us have, from a young age. But the thing is here, for me, is these– the times when you have doubt, in most cases, is when you're about to– when you're challenged to do something different from what you're used to doing. So when you think about it– so if you're driving– so you've learned how to drive, and you drive every day. You don't have doubts going in the car, do you? Because it's automatic. It's something you do– just naturally comes to you. 00:16:17 ****Aleksandra King:** Naturally. 00:16:18 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** But if someone says to you, okay, Aleksandra, why don't you go drive that pickup truck and drive it up that terrain– that's not what you're used to. You're used to driving a car– 00:16:28 ****Aleksandra King:** No truck. 00:16:29 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Exactly– a normal car. You're used to driving a normal car around town, wherever you go to on holiday, but not a pickup truck up a terrain. That's different. So the minute you're faced with something different, the doubts start kicking in. 00:16:43 ****Aleksandra King:** Or you have a crash. 00:16:44 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Or you have a crash– there you go. 00:16:46 ****Aleksandra King:** And then you're like– and you might have genuinely done something wrong, and then you can beat yourself up about that and think, I should have looked more, I should have paid more attention. Or it might be a combination– both sides have done it, it's an accident, and both sides could have been better– but doubt comes in. 00:17:06 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yes. That's good– hopefully you'll be a better driver, right? 00:17:10 ****Aleksandra King:** As long as it doesn't \[unclear: completely?\]– like– break you so much that you don't get in the car again. 00:17:14 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** And that's it, is– it's about learning from our mistakes, isn't it? It's everything. Mistakes are fundamental to help us grow. 00:17:22 ****Aleksandra King:** Okay, not necessarily like crashing, but you know what I mean. 00:17:24 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It's– you– if you don't go through adversity, if you don't go through things that challenge you, how are you going to learn? If everything goes so smoothly and life is just a breeze, there's absolutely nothing to learn. You don't build resilience, right? 00:17:38 ****Aleksandra King:** That's a whole different topic as well– resilience. 00:17:40 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** So the key is, when you make a mistake, is not literally, like, crashing and burning and saying, I'm out. It's, what went wrong? What could I apply differently if I do this next time? Those are the things you need to be asking yourself. 00:17:56 ****Aleksandra King:** To do that– because I know a lot of people get broken by something happening– that their whole self-esteem– if you're already insecure, and something comes in and damages your confidence even more, it's very, very difficult. 00:18:09 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It is. It is. And one of the things that could help in this scenario is being in the midst of people that have experienced something similar and have overcome it. So I'll give you an example. When I wanted to write this book, I didn't have a clue– literally. I want to write a book– I've never done it before. Not quite sure. I know I can put pen to paper and start writing stuff and everything, but then there's so many processes that comes with writing a book, I didn't even realise. I thought, I'm just going to write– I'm going to write a book, and then I'm going to just start writing stuff every day. There's the editing, there's the formatting– there's lots that goes with it. So I didn't really have a clue, right? What I did was, I joined a Facebook group for first-time publishers, and I joined other Facebook groups. And in these groups– because I found people that were in a similar scenario– it gave me the confidence, and it actually gave me the tools I needed and the help I needed to basically pursue writing the book, and to finish the book, and then to publish the book. But that was being around like-minded people– people that were facing a similar– so your environment is absolutely key. So when you get to that place where you're completely broken– and let's face it, motivation is just a feeling, right? Motivation is a feeling, so it's fickle. So you can't always rely on motivation to get you– you need more than motivation. So I would always encourage, find your people. Find your peers. Find the people that are in a similar situation to you, or have accomplished what you want to accomplish– whether it's a Facebook group, whether it's a physical networking event. I just recently joined Global Woman Club, and it's amazing. I mean, all these women are fantastic. They come from different walks of life, all around the world, and they've achieved so many different things– and also, some of them are still on their journey. It's amazing being in that atmosphere. It literally gives me that feeling of, I can. I feel like I'm invincible, almost. 00:20:07 ****Aleksandra King:** But it can be intimidating as well. 00:20:09 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It could also be– but I feel \[unclear: honoured?\]– it's very true. But then you see people that are in a similar situation to you, so it makes it less intimidating. So you see people in different– at different stages in life. And that's the key, and it's important to see this. Because if all you see is people that are doing exactly what you're doing, then there's no– what do you learn, right? You learn from people that have been there, done that. And that's also what happened with my Global Executive MBA. I saw people that had been– they were very successful, and I was actually asking– I was like, well, why do you need the course? You've already– you've got a company that has 1,000 members of staff– you don't need an MBA. But they're, well, I need it, cos I love the network. I want to network. I'd like to meet different types of people. 00:20:52 ****Aleksandra King:** Yeah. You know who spoke about this a little bit, you know– Emma Grede. 00:20:56 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Absolutely. 00:20:57 ****Aleksandra King:** She's the lady that's actually– she calls herself– and I'm surprised the Kardashians allowed this– but she goes, I'm the brains behind Skims, I'm the brains behind Good American. I mean, that's confidence, to say that. How– Kim K is going, what? But Kim's like, yeah, all right, you be the brains, I'm the face– although she has a brain on her too, let's not underestimate her. But Emma Grede is the doer of the business side. There's a lot of processes that have to go into that. Things just need to be done, and someone has to do that hard, boring work late– pricing and all those. So she's that. Okay– and she said that when she moved to LA and– change– she felt she needed to change her environment. She wasn't thinking big enough. It's what you're talking about. And I really do recommend that you watch some of the podcasts with her. She runs her own podcast. 00:21:48 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Okay, yeah. 00:21:49 ****Aleksandra King:** She's a very good businesswoman, you can tell. But she admitted to herself, like, I'm not thinking big. I'm not stretching. I know I can do more, and I need to just– change of scenery completely– and go and do this. And she moved to LA and started sort of rubbing shoulders with– right– and then did what you've done, and did the sort of hard pitch, right? Like, I've met my contact– here, I am going to pitch the living daylights out of this person till I get what I want. 00:22:21 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I love that. 00:22:21 ****Aleksandra King:** And she did it. And then she got Good American– 00:22:24 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I love that. 00:22:24 ****Aleksandra King:** And then now she's got Skims, and the list continues. But she had to work for that. She had to go and be embarrassed and go, look, can I pitch? Is that okay, Kris Jenner? Kris Jenner goes, go for it– let's see how you go. Try. We met– you're in that pool. We met, yeah, you seem decent– let's see what you got. And then she grafted. Look where she is today. 00:22:51 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I love it. And the thing is, people are scared of failure, but failure is absolutely fundamental for success. Because without failure– again, it comes back to growth– growth is so important. Without failure, how do you know what to tweak? Without failure, how do you know what to change, to improve, to get to that next level? 00:23:14 ****Aleksandra King:** My mum always said to me growing up– my mum said, what– just ask. What's the worst they can say? No, right? 00:23:20 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yeah. No one ever died from a no. 00:23:22 ****Aleksandra King:** Yeah, right. 00:23:23 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** No one ever died from– 00:23:26 ****Aleksandra King:** Well, maybe– maybe. But even with this podcast, which I do– I've got my business, and then I've got the podcast, and I had to learn about how to do a podcast, and I had to start from zero, and I had to grow it, and we've been growing– and from 400 to 40,000 subscribers– 00:23:40 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** So people like something. That's amazing, by the way. 00:23:43 ****Aleksandra King:** But to get guests, let me tell you, I had to go through so much rejection. You see, now the tables are slightly turning, and I've got people coming to me, and their PR agents are pitching and saying, look, our guests can offer this and this and that. It's changing a little bit. I still have to work for it. I still have to, like, go out there hunting with a team, trying our best, making sure that we're adding value– there's a lot of stuff that goes into it. But my God, I've taken rejection. And I've also taken rejection from people within my network– so within my own network, and– like friends that I've gone to school with– they're doing something great– it's like, come on, like– no. And you've got to suck that up and move on quickly. Like, okay, you don't want it– fine. That's okay. 00:24:22 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Literally– it genuinely is– and move on. I really like this, because rejection is not the end. Rejection is just a redirection, and that's what we've got to remember. This no is not the end of the story. There's so many stories– I love your story, by the way– there's so many stories– entrepreneurs that we know that have had so many rejections. Look at Edison with the light bulb– how many times did he fail before he finally got there? So we've got to come out of our own head and stop being so scared of a no. A no means, okay, well, maybe I'm just not ready to work with this person right now, but there's somebody else that is my person. 00:25:01 ****Aleksandra King:** Totally. There's always somebody else, yeah. And it makes– when you don't get the guest on that subject, even though they're in your network, you think, well, I've got to hunt– I've got to go hunting and find another guest. And you find someone, and they've got something different to bring to the table, and you think, well, I'm really glad I've been on this journey, because now I've got this person, and it's different. And you can't take it personally, either. It's just business, and it's just– people have got a lot of things going on. You've got to move on quickly. You can't wallow in it, is what I've learned. And I had to learn that, because I'm proud– I'm a proud person. How can you reject me? How could you do that to me? And I'm getting used to it– I'm getting so much better now, and it's genuinely cool. 00:25:40 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yeah. And to be fair, you're not alone– most human beings are proud. That's our nature, most of us. That's why we're scared of failure– because of our pride, when you think about it. So there's a mantra that I learned a few years ago: some will, some won't, so what– next. 00:25:57 ****Aleksandra King:** Wow. I love that mantra. So when you get rejection next time, guys, try that. Some will, some won't, so what– next. Someone else is waiting. 00:26:07 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** That's– 00:26:08 ****Aleksandra King:** Totally something I'm taking– in the back– I'm taking that. Right, okay. So we're going to talk now– that's one thing– we need to break negative patterns, we need to rewire our brain. Let's now talk about some things we can actually do. I've got a mantra– that's helpful. There's visualisation. 00:26:23 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yes. 00:26:24 ****Aleksandra King:** Talk to me. 00:26:25 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I absolutely love visualisation. This is something I apply in my life, and I've done it for years, and I can honestly say that it's helped me. So visualisation is actually– it's not just– oh, it's not just– it's not daydreaming. 00:26:41 ****Aleksandra King:** How– it's exactly– 00:26:43 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Daydreaming is– daydreaming is just us fantasising. Visualisation is strategy. Because visualisation is literally programming your brain to think of something you want to achieve– not just to think of it, but to see it. So when you start to programme your brain to see something that you want to achieve in the next two years, five years, ten, whatever the case may be, your brain eventually starts believing– 00:27:10 ****Aleksandra King:** Okay, let's use an example. Let's help– let's help– a lot of them will be in– let's just imagine for now, and we'll go through both scenarios– a lot of people will be in a job they don't like. 00:27:19 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yes. 00:27:19 ****Aleksandra King:** They don't like it, or– what– visualise– 00:27:21 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Okay, so visual– what job do you want? You have to really go through that process of identifying, what is it I want? Do I want to work in a Google? Do I want– or do I want to work in– what is your passion? What drives you? What do you want? And they already know what they don't want, because they know they hate their job. 00:27:36 ****Aleksandra King:** Step one– tick. 00:27:38 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** So– what I find is, people tend to know what they don't want, but don't always know what they do want. So you've got to go through the exercise of identifying what you want. Cos once you identify what you want, then you can– whether you print pictures, you get a mood board– put it out there. Like, you want to be able to see that thing all the time. Because when you see it all the time, your brain starts identifying that this is exactly where I need to be. And when your brain starts to identify with that image that you keep seeing all the time, and saying, this is exactly where I want to be, then eventually you're going to start asking the question, okay, I know this is where I want to be– how can I get there? Because visualisation is a start. Visualisation is the– okay, my brain– I need to get my brain thinking of this thing all the time. 00:28:25 ****Aleksandra King:** And it starts to– you need that– it's the direction. 00:28:30 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Absolutely need it. Absolutely need it. So once your brain starts identifying– this is exactly what I want, that's what I want, that's what I want– then you then go back to the, okay, how do I get to that thing that I want? And this is where the incremental steps come in. So I'll give you an example. I'm a car person– I love Audi. So for a few years, I drove Audis. But before I got there, I had an old banged-up Celica and stuff, and I'll see people– I'll see the Audis on the road– and I love it, I love cars– and I'll see Audis on the road, and I'm like, oh, that's my A5\. That's my future car. That's the car I want. Didn't have a clue how I was going to get there, but I was– that's the car I want. And so what I did was, I actually went to the showroom, and I booked a test drive, and I drove one of the– it was A4– I never forget– a really nice red A4\. I took my kids along, and I took my other half along. I was, this could be our car. Everybody loved it. Obviously the test drive was absolutely amazing, but the minute– as soon as we finished that test drive, I couldn't stop thinking about that car. Because \[unclear: now I've?\] actually felt it. It's different when you see something, but when you actually start to feel it and experience it, it's, okay, that's it. That's what we're going to do. That's what we're going to do, right? And somehow– I promise you– because my mind was on it, I worked towards getting it, right? And I think it was maybe like a year and a half later, I bought myself a silver Audi A4\. So that's just an example. Once you start visualising, it's a first step. You've got to feel– you've got to actually start thinking, how is it going to feel? You want to experience it– start experiencing it somehow. When you start to feel it, it takes you to a different place, and then you will start thinking, okay, right, what do I need to do to get to that thing? Do I need to acquire more skills? Do I need to go back to school? Do I need to– so you start breaking down all the things– the steps that you need to take to get to that. Because right now, that's utopia, but we need to climb the staircase to get to utopia– it's right at the top, right? So you've got to climb all the stairs to get to utopia. 00:30:43 ****Aleksandra King:** And make sure it's your dream and not someone else's. 00:30:46 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Absolutely. 00:30:47 ****Aleksandra King:** Okay. The way that I look at things– what I want to achieve in life, what I'm going to do, what my goals are, whatever– I have those in my mind, and then I break it down into my day. And I look at a day or a week– but I do look at the day– down to the hours. There's only a certain amount of hours in a day that you can dedicate to friends and family, to progressing things– let's talk about career-wise– to– if you have a job, you're dedicating that time to the job. If you want to run your own business, how much of your day have you dedicated to running your own business? Is it just thought? And are you visualising it? Or what did you do today, in terms of time and energy and action, in your day today? And okay, if today is not acceptable, because whatever– have you taken any day in the week? Is it a Saturday? Is that too late? How are you structuring– how much energy of your life– your precious one life– are you giving to pleasing your boss versus pleasing yourself? 00:31:49 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Love this. Do you know, that is such a fundamental thing to think about. And I will go as far as– because this is exactly where I am right now, right? This is exactly what I'm doing. Cos I've started my business, \[unclear: EMBA Prep?\], and I'm still working 9-to-5, right? And I've written a book– 00:32:06 ****Aleksandra King:** The audience don't know this– she's a Selling Sunset girl. She's a high-flying London real estate– which is great, but it's not your– I mean, it's good– you've also got your business. 00:32:16 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Exactly. 00:32:17 ****Aleksandra King:** I mean, it's not as sexy as Selling Sunset– I wish it was– 00:32:19 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** But who said that, right? Okay, we do our own thing. But it's– so my future, for me, is the business I've started, which is coaching people to get into executive MBA and top business schools, right? So I'm doing this alongside of my 9-to-5, and then I also wrote the book, and I've got family, right? So the question that people ask me all the time is, Rebecca, where do you get the time? Time. And I say to them, you've got to be so intentional with your time. It's the same as when I did my Global Executive MBA– I keep going back to it, because that was where everything kind of started– like, things changed. 00:32:58 ****Aleksandra King:** That's exactly that, yeah. 00:33:00 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** That's it– bingo– that's where everything changed. Because it taught me so much about time management. Because it's such a rigorous and challenging course to go through– you're doing it with full-time work, travelling, kids, family– you have no choice but to learn how to manage your time effectively. I became very intentional with my time. I was like, okay– and it was militant. It was like, okay, this is the time I go to work; when I get home, this is the time I dedicate– like, two and a half hours or three hours– to school. And then you have to be militant. So if you're saying this is my study time, protect it like your life depends on– 00:33:36 ****Aleksandra King:** Be aware of time wasters in your life. There are those– they look– they want to have long chats. 00:33:41 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Very true. Very true. 00:33:43 ****Aleksandra King:** Let's talk about some of the habits that you developed. You got your visualisation, you're very intentional with your time. What are some of the habits– and I know that you go through this in your book– that help with the mindset change and achieving goals? 00:33:57 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Journaling is very, very key for this. Because with journaling– journaling highlights things to you that you may not even be aware that you're doing. You may not realise that you have a pattern, but when you start writing things down, and then you go through– hang on a minute– so I did this on the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, didn't do it on Thursday, but I did it on Friday– you start recognising that you have a– 00:34:19 ****Aleksandra King:** Journaling– what are you writing down? Your thoughts? Your day? How has your day been? 00:34:22 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Negative– yeah– and actually, one of the things that is important here is journaling negative thoughts. Because when you journal negative thoughts– and brave, I know– but it helps you identify your pattern. It helps you identify all the things you keep saying to yourself. 00:34:37 ****Aleksandra King:** I don't think I'd want to journal the things I say to myself. 00:34:40 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Try– and the thing is– 00:34:41 ****Aleksandra King:** Terrible. 00:34:42 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** You don't have to do it– you don't have to do it for life. In my book, I think there's an exercise where I said, do this for– I think it was a week or so, okay– just to identify what your pattern is. Because without being able to– and the thing is, our thoughts are one thing, but when you're able to put pen to paper, it brings it to life, doesn't it? That's what writing a book is. You have everything in your mind, but the minute you put it down on paper, it becomes real. So you want to call that thing out. You want to bring it to life and say, oh, I know that this is what– I see you. 00:35:13 ****Aleksandra King:** Exactly– there's nowhere to hide now. It's brave. It's brave. So on the programme, you spoke to a lot of really influential, very successful business leaders. What's something they have in common, in terms of a habit or behavioural signal that you noticed– that it's a shared thing? 00:35:35 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** The innate belief that they just can. It felt– if– when I spoke to these guys, right, it felt like there were no boundaries in terms of what they could achieve, right? It just seemed like, to them, everything was possible. Everything was out for grabs. Everything was on the plate. There was nothing that was like, that's too– that's too far-fetched. One of them wants to– one of– I smile because I really think of him fondly– I never forget– he wants to own his own spaceship. He wants to send a rocket to space. Why not? He owns his own plane right now, so I'm– okay– so, right, so let's do it. When are we going to get this project on the road? So nothing is off the table. It may seem, oh my God, it's just so far away– but for this group– and that's why it was so empowering being around them– everything is up for grabs. There's no goal that is too big and too far-fetched and too ridiculous that you can't get there. 00:36:29 ****Aleksandra King:** Did you see any indication from them on how they deal with failure? Did any of them speak about that? 00:36:35 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** So, some of the people I got close to– and this is where the whole imposter syndrome thing became– when I was speaking about imposter syndrome, we also spoke about fear– failure. What I started seeing was that these guys did not allow failure to be the full stop. It was a bit, okay, I didn't get that right. I didn't quite achieve what I wanted to achieve. But how can I use what I learned from this– and this is also what you get taught in MBAs– how can I use what I've learned from this and apply that differently? It's about reframing failure. 00:37:11 ****Aleksandra King:** It's hard, isn't it? 00:37:12 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It's very hard. It's very hard. 00:37:14 ****Aleksandra King:** And it's difficult– it's so hard. 00:37:17 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It's that whole thing about being intentional and understanding that failure should not stop you. Failure is not the full stop. 00:37:26 ****Aleksandra King:** But why– why I say it's hard– because you've watched X Factor, right? And then you have this– some of them go on and they really, really can't sing, and they've got their parents saying, oh, but you're such a good singer, you're my little sweetie pie. And the parents sort of blindly– and it is blindly, because it's really obvious to everyone that this kid can't sing– and they keep pushing this kid. There's always that side of it, which can eat into what we're talking about here. Where's the– 00:37:53 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** That is such a good point. It's about learning how to fail fast. That was also the other element of failure that we got taught– this kept coming up a lot in the programme. It was a case of, if you continuously fail at something, at what point do you give up, or do you continue going, right? And that was always a conundrum. Do I give up, because maybe it wasn't quite for me– maybe I should be doing something different– or maybe I should just continue going, like Edison with the light bulb, right? So it's about identifying exactly what you want to achieve. 00:38:29 ****Aleksandra King:** Totally. You have to identify what it is– what is it you want, what's your goals. Cos then it's a success to stop trying to sing– \[unclear: X Factor?\]– when you stop that– 00:38:44 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Pivoting– yeah, yeah, that's it– that's the refocus. I call it pivoting. So sometimes you may need to pivot. Maybe what you set out to achieve, or what you wanted to do in the first place, was not quite right. Maybe you needed a tweak, right? But you only get to that place when you've failed at something several times– and then some. And then, when you start looking at that goal again, you realise, hang on a minute, there's another way to get this. There's another way to do this. Maybe I'm not doing it– maybe I'm not in the right pathway– I need to shift my pathway. 00:39:19 ****Aleksandra King:** It's super important. 00:39:20 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** It's so important. It's self-awareness. You've got to have so much– you've got to have self-awareness to be able to do these sort of things as well. 00:39:27 ****Aleksandra King:** What is one small little action that we can take to build our mental strength over time? So is it the journaling, is it the mantra– like, what would you say the little action is that we can take? 00:39:38 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** There's so many different things we can do, but there's one really nice, short, sweet one that I quite like. It's called a self-truth. So this is where you identify one lie you've been telling yourself for a while– 00:39:52 ****Aleksandra King:** Gosh, just one? I mean, we tell ourselves many, quite frankly. 00:39:55 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** But just identify one of them. It could be, I'm not smart enough. It could be, I'm not– I don't have enough skills to do that. Whatever that one lie is– it'd be framing it– so let's go from, I can't do X, to, what if I can do X? And also– so let's use an example. So let's go back to the leadership example I use, where you want to become a CEO of a well-recognised company, and that voice just says, nah– nah, you're not good enough. You can't do it. Instead of just giving in to that thought, hold it there. Think of all the scenarios where you've led. It could be– and it doesn't have to be in a work situation– it could be at home. Think of different scenarios where you've brought people together to achieve a common goal– whether it's a kids' party, whether it's organising something at church, whatever the case may be– and that is your example of leadership. Think of all those different scenarios. So all of those basically tell you that, actually, I do have some skill set to be able to do this. And all of those actually shut that voice up that says you can't– where you're like, hang on a minute, but I've done this, and I've done that, and I've done– so actually, that's not so true. Think of scenarios where basically it disproves that lie. Just think of that. 00:41:20 ****Aleksandra King:** I love that one. And when you're opening up the bag of your life, you're looking at what's inside– I did actually do that, and I was quite happy with myself, and I did do that. And when I'm watching– when they open that little bag of their things that they've done, I bet there's a lot of golden coins in there. 00:41:37 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** So much. And because we're so busy– we're so busy, let's face it, everybody's busy– we don't often take time for thinking. 00:41:43 ****Aleksandra King:** We don't. 00:41:44 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** So this is an intentional exercise. This exercise forces you to think. It forces you to pause and to just think of what's happened in your life. 00:41:57 ****Aleksandra King:** Exactly. And we take the time to do it, and it's an action that you've got– it's an action that you take. And I love that, cos that builds earned confidence. 00:42:05 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I love that. I absolutely love that. 00:42:08 ****Aleksandra King:** So if someone's stuck– what should I do? 00:42:11 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Remember we talked about environment? Now, I just want to explain something about environment. Environment doesn't necessarily mean moving to a different country. I think people hear environment, they think, oh my God, I need to move to New York. So we're not talking about that. Environment could be the people you hang around. It could be the people you don't hang around– 00:42:28 ****Aleksandra King:** Oh– people you don't hang– 00:42:29 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Exactly– the people you haven't yet met. So it's about being intentional and finding an environment that supports what you want– where you want to go in life, what you want to achieve, what your goals are. If you want to bake, and you've never baked in your life before, and you think, oh my God, I don't even know where to start with this thing– find a baking club. Go on Facebook– find a baking Facebook club. Do something that helps you meet people that have similar intentions, similar goals. Because I promise you, when you're in a room– whether it's virtual or in a physical room– with people that are aligned, it gives you a whole heap of confidence. It just reshapes the way you see things, and also, it opens up the world a little bit better to you. Because when you're in your own head, you only think of it like– straight road– you're only thinking one way. But the minute you meet, I don't know, Abigail, and you meet Steve, and you meet this other person, and they're thinking in different ways from the way you think, it's no longer just a straight road. 00:43:31 ****Aleksandra King:** I get that, but I know that there will be people watching that find that nerve-wracking. You know, we– I've mentioned that– they might have social anxiety, to step into this world of people. They might have that imposter syndrome. They might have that. 00:43:44 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** But do it anyway, right? Do it virtually– you don't have to go physically. Virtually is less intimidating, because– and also, you don't even have to have your face– when you're in a Facebook group, right, you don't have to put your face out there if you're scared. Baby steps– you can take very much baby steps. It's all about the incremental– 00:44:01 ****Aleksandra King:** Exact– yeah. 00:44:02 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Don't dive deep into the– don't go straight into the deep end, guys. Take incremental steps, just to get you there– so, to start building your confidence. Because you build confidence by momentum. 00:44:14 ****Aleksandra King:** And it's about progress over perfection. Cos I think sometimes we seek perfection– we're like, no, no– we're not– it's not ready yet. 00:44:21 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** That's how confidence is built– is through that momentum. 00:44:23 ****Aleksandra King:** Okay, so what's the first brick we lay? 00:44:25 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Awareness. It always starts from you accepting that you have a problem. If you don't accept that you have a problem, how do you fix it? What is stopping you? 00:44:34 ****Aleksandra King:** Nice. I love that. Because people always think about– if it's only– if it's a drinking problem, or if it's a drug problem– but what if it's a you problem? As in, you're holding yourself back. That's also a legitimate problem. Like, you're literally holding yourself back. 00:44:50 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** And the difference with this is, when it's a you problem, you've got so much more power. Because once you can identify– once you're aware of what it is that's holding you back, and you can call it out, you can fix it. Now it's no longer dependent on other people to fix it for you. It's a you– you can fix it yourself. So you'll bring the power back into your hands to do something about it. But it all starts from awareness. 00:45:14 ****Aleksandra King:** I'm going to end with this, which– someone said to me once, actually, from childhood, and I thought it was beautifully framed, and ever since then I've really lived this– and I know you're living it through this– is that we are the authors of our own book. 00:45:29 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I love that. Yes. 00:45:31 ****Aleksandra King:** We're like the pilots of our own plane. 00:45:33 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** Yes– I love it. 00:45:34 ****Aleksandra King:** So, Rebecca, thank you so much for joining us. We've learned an incredible amount, and it's just been inspiring, and yeah– I just love having you on so much. 00:45:45 ****Rebecca Nwankwo:** I've enjoyed myself so much. 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